Your opinions on this (NS and Xtian Bm releated) Black Metal Discuss Your opinions on this (NS and Xtian Bm releated) in the Metal Genres forums; thats one of the reasons why i think mp3 downloading is good. it means that not only do lesser-known ...

[Tommy Tee]

thats one of the reasons why i think mp3 downloading is good. it means that not only do lesser-known bands get a chance to get some publicity, but the bands that are raking it in don't get as much. and if they have a problem with selling a few less than 100,000,000 albums then it says a lot about how much they care for the music and how much they care for money *cough* metallica *cough*.

i now try to buy albums of bands that aren't making a living from music and download albums by bands that re making a living from it. because simply, capitalism isn't part of music and i think it should be kept that way. i would actually refuse to buy COF cd's even though i like their music. because he is only making music for money now. the fact that its good is beside the point because i don't want to support that kind of attitude to music.

we've gone off-topic but apparently nobody else is reading this thread so it doesn't matter

[UnholyMenace]

I guess we are'nt so offtopic - still talking how BM has changed and what will happen next - its like an add to the first post.

I think you know this BM band from Turkey called ...aaaarrghh - i think theyr attitude is great in my opinion. They just make the music becasue they like it and they want to say something with it. They are not out for getting fame or fortune with it - they said it pretty well in theyr interview. The site where the interview was is down at the moment because of some personal reasons, but i have this interview somewhere in my mailbox - im glad i didnt delete it after they sent it to me.

Underground BM is great, but if they go too underground then its just too much for me - sure BM should be a bit rough and at first with pretty lousy production quality, but if they are singing in a low voice an you barely understand and hear, then it sucks. A year ago i got this Gorath/Tod split CD - Gorath was pretty fine with strange lyrics, but Tod pretty much sucked in my opinion. The production quality was so damn low - they sang in so low voice that at first i didnt notice that anyone was singing - but when the first song was over i noticed that there were some lyrics on the cover - so i listened the song once more and there it was :P

[Tommy Tee]

i know 'arrrgghhhh'. i think its cool that they let their music be downloaded for free from their website. pity its rubbish. they probably only put i for downlaod because nobody would pay for it

[UnholyMenace]

Originally Posted by Parasite

they probably only put i for downlaod because nobody would pay for it

Hmm..i dont know. I think there would be people who would buy it - people in theyr homeland. If id understand the lyrics i could probably say something more about it all - im not that kinda musid listener who only listens the plain music, im interested to know what these words mean behind it all. But I just wanted to show that there are some bands that dont make music just to earn money and to get fame. There should me more of those. Estonian metal scene is pretty small (not too small - pretty many good bands, but not so many BM bands tho) and in most cases people make music just because it is a part of them - like a hobbie - and there is no possibility to become rich by making metal in Estonia.

[Mourn]

It is really going to suck when vapid teenage girls start running around with Emperor and Immortal shirts, and then we're going to appear to look like poseurs, becase we don't dress in all the corpse paint and the spikes. Whats really funny is in our cases, we have known about these bands for ages, yet there are some 12 year old girls in emperor shirts in the mall singing the lyrics to "I am the Black Wizards". This in my opinion is very wrong. Oh well, at least the ones of us who have dared to delve into the genre will be able to hold knowledge over these kids. Although i'm sure I won't be wearing a Mutiilation or Blut Aus Nord shirt when I go to the mall... I don't care if they lightly touch on the more mainstream shit.


But I would be saddened to see bands like Gontyna Kry, with messages of National Socialism become popular. It's as bad as this whole "HAIL HITLER" fad. Personally I will admit that I am a huge fan of the NSBM I find it to be raw and yet beautiful, and I also agree with most of the beliefs set forth within National Socialism. I am infact very proud of my culture and heritage, I believe the white culture is being raped by other cultures. Anyway, I couldn't bare to see a 13 year old girl in a Gontyna Kry shirt screaming shit like "ZIEG HEIL" at the top of her lungs. That to me would be a disgrace, and I would very much like to slap her.


Personally I hope if/when BM does become a fad, it passes quickly. So that some of our genre and some of our bands can maintain a certain level of integrity, and "cred" that they've worked so hard to gain. However with bands like Cradle of Filth, claiming to be Black Metal, and the fact that they're gaining popularity, and will become much more popular when they appear on Viva La Bam. This I believe will start the fad, and it's our job as actual fans of the music to keep the good shit sacred. Anyway that was my rant for the day, and I hope I didn't stray to far.

[UnholyMenace]

I bet almost half of those so called nazis these days have no idea what this ideology is all about - they dont know anything about the beliefs and ideas. They have only heard that there used to be a man called Hitler and now they try to act like they are some kinda followers but actually havnt eaven heard one speech by Hitler. Im not saying that now everybody should learn more about it and become smart-ass nazis, but i think if you try to be someone, then do it well or dont do it at all. There is this Estonian band called Loits - theyr songs are very patriotic and are about Estonains who fought wioth Germans against commnists. Some people still think that they are NSBM - there are loads of people who go to see theyr concerts, run near the stage and scream "Zieg Heil" and make the famous nazi gesture - and some 12 year old or older sees it and thinks "Hey! This thing is pretty cool..ill try it out too". Loits is not NSBM and they have said it many times - if you are patriotic then it doesnt mean that you are nationalist. And i guess every nationalist isnt nazi too.

For a long time i havnt worn spikes around my wrist - few years ago it was just a thing that was interesting and somehow unique - but it so fucking cool now. A boy/girl wearing some stupid Korn shirt and this little spike wrist thingy and screams out that he/she is a true believer of Satan. Sometimes its pretty sad actually - you just think - and thats the future of metal.

[Mourn]

Like I said, this is precisly the reason why the real fans must revere and praise what he have. And we must protect it from being tainted by the minds of the 13 year old "nazi's" "nihilists" and "satanists". We must hold our music dear and never let go, we musn't let them pry from our cold dead hands. We must keep real metal at a plain un-reachable by the norm and by the mainstream, music is about the fans and the music. Not the image, but with the way it's going... it's all about the image and less about the music. This is why i'm glad that my favorite genre (doom) will doubtfully get any major recogniztion outside of Sabbath. And I hope that the Black Metal fad with barely be profitable, and they abandon it quickly in search of another more mainstream friendly genre. Anyway i'm convinced if these kids knew what real black metal was, well I dare say they'd put tail between legs and head for the hills.

[Tommy Tee]

Im not saying that now everybody should learn more about it and become smart-ass nazis

why? i would say im pretty left-wing politically but i would have way more respect for a nazi who can explain his opinions than some brainwashed moron who can't back up his politically correct views. respect to them for having a controversial opinion if they know what they're talking about as opposed to someone who mindlessly chooses the socially acceptable opinions.

And we must protect it from being tainted by the minds of the 13 year old "nazi's"

We must keep real metal at a plain un-reachable by the norm and by the mainstream

these 2 comments basically contradict each other. anyone who wants to keep BM underground should really consider NSBM a godsent seeing as its one of the few things keeping it from becoming completly "cool". hmv and virgin refuse to stock NS music. not as many kids will latch onto the NS-coolness as the anti-christian-coolness.

[Mourn]

If you read my earlier post, what I meant by that was, there are a bunch of kids running around now adays, saluting hitler and yelling Zieg Heil at any chance they get, they were the target for that statement. And yes I know that NSBM is BM's saving grace. But it would also help if we could make the genre a little more obscure by some means. And about your final comment, we can only hope they stay with their "anti-christian beliefs" and not flock to NSBM. And I think it would be much much harder to get to the NSBM anyway, as the only way to get it through the internet or distro's.

[UnholyMenace]

Originally Posted by Parasite

why? i would say im pretty left-wing politically but i would have way more respect for a nazi who can explain his opinions than some brainwashed moron who can't back up his politically correct views. respect to them for having a controversial opinion if they know what they're talking about as opposed to someone who mindlessly chooses the socially acceptable opinions.

Stupid question maybe, but - Who would you choose: Two persons, one nazi and the second one a liberal politician - they both know what they are saying and can explain theyr ideas fully? So they are totally equal in that.