NSBM - Page 3

Tommy Tee · #21 02-12-2006, 02:51 PM

sunwheel are complete shit.

sorry, they are.

anyway,good nsbm. hate forest are my gods. probably the one band that i feel the need to own everything by (and am gradually workingon getting their stuff).

Surma · #22 02-14-2006, 10:52 AM

Personally one of my favorite NSBM bands is a band from Canada called Lust. The vocals sound kinda like my cat when it's asking for food or wants to go out but they nevertheless compliment the music rather well.

By the way I'm sure I heard somewhere that Rob Darken denied being a Nazi and said he was a white supremacist. Whichever way it is it's bullshit really. In my opinion I think National Socialism is rather contradictory to black metal considering its supposed to be an anti Christian movement. Both idealogies thrive on mass conformity and anyone who thinks against these people is punished in NS and Christianity. People are of course free to have their own beliefs but I do wonder how many bands there are saying they have leanings in this direction who are in fact only interested in a publicity stunt. Not only that but most of these bands seem to be from Eastern Europe and Hitler apparantly didn't actually consider Slavs Aryan. Odd.

Oh and another thing that bugs me about black metal is this paranoia about being true, They say they don't care about publicity then they say the same statements a million other bands make, so obviously they give a shit about fitting in. I suppose thats why National Socialism is good in black metal. Its not about thinking for themselves so they have a bunch of ready made idealogies served up on a plate! And by the way bands with black people in them like Mystifier and Impiety are at least as good as many NSBM bands. Aryanism doesn't exist-the reason why the West was so successful was because we had just the right temperature to develop technology.

I enjoy some NSBM but I find the idealogy stupid and ignorant.

Surma · #23 02-14-2006, 10:54 AM

Communist black metal anyone?

Tommy Tee · #24 02-14-2006, 03:11 PM

heh. i was joking with a freind not too long ago about communist black metal. pro-stalin black metal would ultimately piss off everyone. :P

anyway, Lust (Can). i still have mixed feelings on them. they have a really chaotic feel to them (on purpose, rather than out of lack of talent) which i really like. the vocals are weird in a good way at times, and too weird at other times. i mean, his vocals sometimes sound like a self-parody o his better stuff.

on a side note, NSBM does have its strange moments. brazil has its fair share of nsbm. i spoke to a brazilian about this and he says most brazilian nazis are a bit "muddy". :P

Surma · #25 02-15-2006, 10:58 AM

There's another point I'll make while here. It amuses me somewhat that metal was started by a band who used to play the blues-Black Sabbath, formerly Pulka Tulk and Earth. Now as I'm sure many of you know blues music was invented by black people. So people are using blues based music to attack other races. Not only that but I do believe that the guitar is an Indian instrument so when you take that into consideration they really are even more stupid than they first appear

Besides black metal is about destroying the planet and National Socialism is about trying to make it a better place in its own way. I don't think Hitler was trying to prove how evil he was and probably would have banned metal because its a blues based music. Had Hitler won metal wouldn't exist. Why don't these bands play neo-classical music? Besides the point there are many quality NSBM bands out there!!!

Speaking of Brazilian NSBM anyone heard Evil?

Tommy Tee · #26 02-15-2006, 01:31 PM

i disagree.i would say national socialism and anti-christianity are 2 weeds from the same root. anti-christian lyrics are in favour of ridding the world of religion (a culture which the bands don't like) and nazism is about ridding the world of different cultures. i fail to see why racism is that different from religious bigotry. the only reasons i have been given when ive asked this are:

1) "Because people choose to be religious but you can't choose your race". so does that mean we are not entitled to an opinion without hatred directed at us from people with opposing views?

2) "Because of the holocaust". my best friend is a nationalist (which confuses a lot of people because im quite left-wing) but i haven't heard him ever claim support of the holocaust or claim adoration for adolf hitler.

3) "Because you can't judge by skin colour". that seems like a very strange view of racism. racism is provoked by clashes of cultures, hence why a lot of people seem to be very anti-islam at the moment, rather than simply looking at people and hating them for having black skin. immigrants that come to this country and adopt the culture rather than try to change it are accepted into society without any problems, generally even by right-wing types.

anyway, sorry for the long rant. i understand your point, but this is just how i see it. theres not a huge difference between racial and religious bigotry. though you're right that the idea of NSBM is vaguely amusing seeing as the nazis would have censored it for being too "negroid".

though my main view of nsbm, and all music for that matter, is if it sounds good ill listen to it, if it doesn't i won't.

Surma · #27 02-15-2006, 03:41 PM

Definatly. I'm not going to stop listening to a band just because I don't agree with their opinions!

Besides nationalism and Nazism are two different things really. I have vaguely nationalist ideals myself. I personally think that there should be restrictions on immigrants into Britain though I don't care about them coming here just so long as there aren't too many and they don't take advantage of their benefits. Besides one doesn't neccessarily choose their religion anyway because it depends how you're raised though speaking for myself I admire people who are raised in a certain faith then renounce it. I'm not rascist because I think rascism is stemmed from the ignorant wheras one who is anti-religious may have become so because of education and the intelligence to question these ideals. Seeing as you live in England like me I presume that you may have seen Richard Dawkins' 'The Root of All Evil' and Jonathan Miller's 'A Brief History of Disbelief'. Those are a good summary of my opinions on religion and actually a good overview of why I don't like it in the first place!

NightOfHunger · #28 02-21-2006, 07:17 AM

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Originally Posted by HellHammer

NSBM has every right to have a place in BM. This genre is still "true", in the meaning that there are no posers or wannabe's or bands selling out in here. I also have no problem with the NS part, these guys sings about something they believe in, many people don't agree with their views, but I admire how they still stand strong in what they believe, not abandoning it because their beliefs doesn't draw many fans.
I also like this genre, because the fans are really into the music. No posers, like in the "normal" black metal scene.

The NSBM scene is largely made up of idiots who feed off of other bands' ideas like leeches. This is not to say that ALL NSBM is bad, but seriously, if I want to listen to Burzum, I'm going to listen to Burzum, not to some lame ass outfit called Belgazargamorkadurganaut.

So yes, the NSBM genre is chock full of posers, way more so than most genres.

I like black metal as much as the next guy, but seriously, I have yet to hear an NSBM band that isn't boring as shit and repetetive both lyrically, musically, ideologically, and image-wise.

Surma · #29 02-21-2006, 10:57 AM

Sabazios of Lust (I kinda like em don't ya know) said that most NSBM is repetative and boring. They're a really good NSBM band. I like Graveland too.

I honestly think Absurd are a pile of wank though. The only reason they're famous and still going is because they killed a Christian boy. THATS IT!

Like I said I happily listen to bands like Blasphemy, Mystifier, Impiety etc. They're great bands and Nazism is stupidity. They have black people in them... so? Most NSBM bands are a bunch of Varg Vikernes and Rob Darken wannabes who just want publicity, while saying bullshit like they don't care about what othet people think about their music. Well if you don't care then don't try and prove how true you are. If you're true then you know it. Be true to yourself before you're true to a scene!

Anti-Christ · #30 02-21-2006, 03:13 PM

is this some nazi movement?